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Discuss: International development

Discuss: International Development Labour is leading efforts to tackle international poverty. Since 1997 we have more than doubled the aid budget and concentrated our support on long term sustainable projects.

We believe that it is wrong for poor countries to have to choose between servicing debt and making vital investments in their public services. That's why we’ve provided 100% debt relief for countries that have demonstrated a commitment to poverty reduction.

We believe that fair trade and education play a vital role in helping developing countries, but how do you think we should continue to help Africa and the Developing World and what more do you think we should be doing?

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Yanos Message left at 08:53 pm, Tue 1st Apr 2008
A tough stance against the militia groups in Iraq, a tough stance on the politcal disgrace that is Zimbabwe, a tough stance on the genocide of Darfur and its incompetent govermnet, and a tough stance on the violence in Tibet, Labour party isnt interefering with other countries affairs because it is in our best interest, we are a world society, and it is our duty to help our fellow man against the unjustification which is dictatorship, murder etc. Labour has got it all bang on right
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Tina Louise Message left at 11:34 pm, Thu 10th Jan 2008
The only way to end world poverty is to change people's attitudes towards their financial situation. We talk about poverty in this country but we don't know the half of it. I am a single parent and hopefully temporarily, on benefits. Even when I do find work, it will probably be minimum wage. BUT I know that I am extremely lucky to be living in this country, where I have a roof over my head, plenty of food for me and my children, comfortably afford to be warm and clothed, with education and a free health service. Some may say they are not satisfied with this, but think about how it would be if you lived elsewhere. We all need to demand that we no longer want children dying from malnutrition or diseases which here would be minor ailments, and that means more of our money should go to helping those countries raising their health care standards to those we have here. In addition, we have a minimum wage here, intended to provide workers with a basic level of income to maintain an adequate standard of living. We should be demanding this for workers everywhere, not only in this country. No goods should enter this country unless they have been produced by workers who have the same rights and conditions and level of pay in real terms as the law here says we should have. We ought to be leading the world on this and as consumers we have the power to change the way companies trade by demanding these standards. I've no doubt the Labour government haas done more to fight poverty and it is so good to see it so high on the agenda, but it takes more than providing aid. We need to establish laws which state that we refuse to continue to prosper from the exploitation of others, and just as with the abolishment of the slave trade, I belive we are can lead the world on this matter.
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Shaun Message left at 07:01 am, Mon 31st Dec 2007
i think the labour goverment has done a great amount of work on international development and on work to eradicate extreme poverty overseas,well done! but much more needs to be done. one idea is reform of the world bank and its harmfull conditions it places on providing loans to the poorest countries. also make trade fair with fair trade tariffs to give poorer countries a fighting chance trading their products also even more and better aid should be given but in such a way to avoid financing corrupt peaple and goverments
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Alex Message left at 07:35 am, Thu 27th Dec 2007
Dear Douglas, As it happens, I picked up your e-mail about the Labour Government's tremendous contribution to Bangladesh and to international development generally while on a visit to the National Resource Centre for Inclusion in Bandra, Mumbai, India (website: http://www.nrcissi.org), where I have been finding out about their approach to inclusive education, which is based on the findings of the Founder of the Spastics Society of India, Dr. Mithu Alur, in her Ph.D. study "A Study of Policy Exclusion" (Institute of Education, London 1999). AQs a result of this Ph.D. study, the NRCI was created in Mumbai in 1999 to address issues of inclusion at the macro-micro level. With the help of UNICEF and the Indian Government, NRCI now offers training to teachers and management from throughout India, as well as others in the Asia Pacific region. When I return to the UK in January, I will send you some material about the NRCI and its approach, which would be worthy of support as it aims to include disabled from birth through to employment in society. I am fully in favour of our Labour Government making the commitment in the next Manifesto to achieve development investment of 0.7% of GDP from 2010 onwards. In themeantime, best wishes for 2008 from Mumbai, India.
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Mike Message left at 04:24 pm, Sat 22nd Dec 2007
If Britain truly wants to help the poor nations of the world, the best help we can give them is to require the EU to scrap the Common Agricultural Policy, likewise ensure the USA does not subsidise their farmers. It is a ludicrous situation whereby the EU subsidies rich European farmers, and yet give no aid to farmers of poor nations. This is uncompetative and does not meet the goals of a free market. Additionally, the rich nations of the west penalise these poor countries with import trade tariffs on their produce, yet cry foul as soon as those countries impose tariffs on goods imported from Europe and the USA. All import tariffs should be equal, whether importing from, or exporting to all nations, rich or poor. All the poor nations of the world want, and all they deserve, is a level playing when producing goods and importation or exportation of produce. If Europe and North America do this, the need to give aid to these countries will reduce as they get richer by being able to compete equally within the world markets.
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Isabel Message left at 11:53 am, Sat 22nd Dec 2007
While I am delighted that the labour government have done more for overseas aid then ever before, I am disappointed at the increase in money given to the World Bank, even though many countries still have conditions requiring economic policy reforms. There is plenty of evidence of the continued harm being done by conditions on poor communities around the world. Please use the government's position of greater influence to bring about reform at the Bank. I would ask you to to seek an end to harmful economic conditions being attached to loans by the World Bank. Please also monitor the new EU trade agreements closely so that they can be reviewed if they are found to be damaging poor countries economies.
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Frank Message left at 12:37 am, Sat 22nd Dec 2007
Three things will help us meet the target: 1. Make Trade Fair. The UK needs to put much more pressure on the EU, who are making poor countire poorer through bad trade agreements. 2. Cancel the debts. But also protect the poor nations from the exploitation their indebtedness has brought them to. Zambia has had it's debts cancelled, but has had to sell it's copper mines to the Chinese and still finds itself unable to get the true value of its resources - despite the demand for raw metals. 3. More and better aid. We've done some great work to build better governance by funding Goverment budgets. We also need to support the development of civil society to enable them to hold their own governments to account. Again, Zambia is a great case study with regular free and fair elections in which the president is not guaranteed his re-election. Finally, link to all this the need for better education here, so that people understand why these countries are poor and what the systems are which keep them poor.
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Alec Message left at 11:51 pm, Fri 21st Dec 2007
Plant trees ...trees and more trees.. Wells ...and trees..... Teach alternative beliefs not just religion.... Mankind and nature managed well, long long before the big day so much talked about 2008 years ago. Back to nature...the answer as always has and did lay in the soil...we come from dust back we go to dust... come come no time in between the bits of dust for wars ...odd thoughts put into our heads. Yes give the developing World all the help they can be given,if it is not worth the help..why do so many go on holiday to the Developing World.
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Frank Message left at 12:29 am, Sat 22nd Dec 2007
John - best way to reduce population growth is Education. It's why we now have an aging population! Educated women have fewer babies.
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Mohamed Munaf Message left at 07:34 pm, Fri 21st Dec 2007
The M D Goals, to me, represent the basic conditions that we all have a responsibility to ensure are met for basic human life. The Labour Party, to our credit, continues to lead the way in helping those in need but let us not forget that there are country's like India which was a former aid taking country but is now an aid giving country. One way we can create some equality and help developing countries is by the Labour government agreeing to fairer terms for developng countries in World trade talks.
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Andrew Paul Message left at 06:28 pm, Fri 21st Dec 2007
The cheapest way to save lives in the Third World is to dig water wells. Each water well costs £2000, provides enough water for 50,000 people (figure disputed), quadruples food produced, and brings down Birth Rates to Western levels within three months (The Buxton Gap). The green circles around the water wells can be seen from space. Let's lobby for more water wells.
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Paul Message left at 05:38 pm, Fri 21st Dec 2007
I visited the area affected by the Pakistan earthquake in 2006 and spoke top several local government officials. It was made clear to me that if the West were to offer training in in Disaster Management, this would be a relatively low-cost but potentially very high-value form of assistance. Local government was totally unprepared for handling ANY major disaster, but in this country we have a great deal of expertise, which ought to be shared.
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Peter Jon Message left at 04:46 pm, Fri 21st Dec 2007
UK Aid should be focussed on enabling measures such as Health - clean water and tackling endemic diseases like Malaria; Education - primary schooling for all; Governance - building administrative capability; Basic Infrastructure - roads, water, electricity and telecommunications distribution; and Trade - enabling inward investment by ensuring fair terms of trade. Inward investment has the capability of doing much more to develop the economy of developing countries than any amount of Government aid.
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Marie-Claire Message left at 04:03 pm, Fri 21st Dec 2007
I congratulate DfID on its achievements thus far as there is nothing worse than poverty enhanced by debt.
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Anna Jodie Message left at 09:37 am, Wed 3rd Oct 2007
I value what the government has successfully achieved so far with regards to international development. However, I think it is very important to maintain our commitment to the promises we made to ensure that our pledge to raise the foreign aid to 0.7% of our economic output is fulfilled. I would also like the UK to take a lead on ensuring that we are striving towards the MDGs by leading efforts to ensure that both health and education is accessible to all. Furthermore I believe that we should encourage more and better trade rather than aid which ensures that southern countries remain poor and cannot develop their own economies. I also believe that we cannot accept Economic Partnership Agreements in their current form. If we do we are likely to flood African Caribbean and Pacific markets with subsidised EU products which will dstroy the livelihoods of the poorest people of the world. Developing countries need time to adapt and plan their own trade reforms to be able to cope with this new agreement. I would urge the UK government to take steps to ensure that any EPA between the EU and ACP countries and allows the latter the time necessary to adapt and plan trade reforms. I would also ask that Parliament is allowed the time to scrutinise this potential EPA agreement as soon as possible.
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William McCulloch Message left at 01:58 pm, Fri 21st Dec 2007
I agree with what Douglas Alexander wrote about aid to Bangladesh. I just want the Party in general and the Government in particular to do its utmost to ensure that the latest upsets are sorted out and Gordon Brown takes a firm grip and shows the leadership of which he is capable. Otherwise the tories could win the next election and cut our overseas aid without turning a hair. Bill Scott
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Barry Message left at 01:32 pm, Thu 20th Sep 2007
There's certainly been a variety of opinions in this discussion but not many seem to relate directly to the question. The question is not whether we should be doing something, it is more about WHAT we should be doing. To think that there are people struggling to find clean water and enough food to eat, we should be disgusted at the idea that we can't use our knowledge and resources to help them. British people often complain about income inequality in the UK and resent those with money. However, in comparison to the income gap between us and African countries, it is nothing. Why should Britan not set an example by distributing wealth rather than keeping it for itself? The problem is how best to distribute fairly and effectively. Aid money is too often lost to corruption or poured into large-scale, wasteful projects. For me, we have to respect the wish of people to shape their own countries, not tell them how it should be. Rather than a generous benefactor, the UK needs to be in a equal partnership with developing countries. We should be willing to share our knowledge and expertise and only provide money if it has been earnt or deserved. Currently with aid there is no real responsibility for the receiving nation whereas they need to feel as if they themselves have earnt a better future.
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Isabel Message left at 12:05 pm, Sat 22nd Dec 2007
Seems a bit confused to me Barry. If we are to respect people's wishes for autonomy, then why should we put strings on money, much of which we have acquired through unequal trading systems? By all means let us share knowledge, expertise *and* money. However let us remember that most individuals in most nations have within themselves the the best knowledge and experience required for their own development - what they need is a level playing field, and/or a helping hand.
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treborc Message left at 08:14 am, Thu 20th Sep 2007
Do you know something if tomorrow Labour went bust did not make it lost the elections Brown had a fit and left, the last bloody person I vote for is those idiots UKIP. I do not know who you are it's obvious you have more names then Blair, but come on mate who is going to vote for your lot, well lets see BNP.
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Paul Message left at 10:08 pm, Wed 12th Sep 2007
Anyone noticed the person who plugs rubbish videos on this forum? Doesn't he get the idea that no one wants to watch these silly videos, thus his posts are deleted? How ridiculous.
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treborc Message left at 06:16 pm, Sun 9th Sep 2007
Money needs to be direct more at allow these countries to cope, then to just give aid when it's needed. More has to be done to stop the catholic church from spreading like a virus around the world especially in countries which has high death due to AIDs, condoms and education must be given. We must also allow for the movement of food into say Africa and out of Africa if they can sell what the produce it's better for all. And fraud within charities must be sorted out, I do not know the facts anymore I do know that many governments take kick backs for aid.
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david Message left at 05:13 pm, Fri 7th Sep 2007
Well i think most of this money should be given to our pensioners who are on the breadline and neglected by this government,never mind third world countries our own people should come first every time.
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Dan Message left at 01:16 pm, Wed 5th Sep 2007
Gordon Brown seems to be making real progress on some world issues. His announcement with Sarkozy about Darfur is the first real change in the international reaction to the crises and as chancellor, he gave record amounts in aid. The Gleneagles summit showed that the G8 is committed to tackling global poverty and we should be proud of taking a lead in this way.
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Steve Message left at 04:42 pm, Mon 3rd Sep 2007
I don't think the EU is unwanted and most people I've met who are anti-EU don't seem to know why. To tackle many of the issues faced by Britain - immigration, terrorism and globalisation - it is important to maintain close ties with EU countries. The EU is a chance for us to assert authority and work with the other strong EU nations - like France and Germany - to improve Britain's economic competitiveness and comply with trade legislation. The only time to fear the EU is if we had a weak prime minister, which we do not.
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simon Message left at 08:21 am, Wed 17th Oct 2007
Im hardly an expert on the EU, so im just speaking as Mr regular Joe Blog from the street (the voice that should matter). It shouldnt matter whether we'r all experts on how the EU works, if the british people dont like or want to be members, then we should be heard. I've done a tiny bit of research into the EU and I honestly cant see why we need it? We're charged billions to be a member, farmers are forced to work under EU regulations and they want to inforce EU laws on us. We only seem to be in the EU due to pressure from france and germany and threats that if we leave, we can no longer trade with them. As Roland has stated... we do most of your trading with countries outside the EU. Its not like we need their protection because we have the UN. We dont intend to use the EU currency and we can trade with the rest of the world. We're perfectly capable of protecting our own borders, we're perfectly capable of running our own economy and inforcing our own laws. dont see why we cant just leave the EU and co-exist along side it. Instead of being bullied into being members like a school playground.
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Roland Message left at 08:29 pm, Mon 3rd Sep 2007
Steve i would like to say as many people who do not want to join who do not know what they are on about niether do people who want to join europe know what they are on about. I'd like you to ask yourself these questions. Where do we buy are radio's televisions etc..? my answer . Japan. Where do we buy are cloaths ? My answer asia. Where do we buy the most precious commodity on this planet from 'OIL' ? my answer the middle east. So what do we need from europe ? My answer cars which to be fair they do make some pretty good ones especialy the germans but lets face it in the greater scheme of things is not that important. So please ask your self why do europe keep trying to bully this country into joining? What is Gordon Browns own agenda? Why would we want a dozen self appointed beuracrats in brussels making desisions over our live's who i would like to point out are answerable to no one not in england or france or any where? Why would we want to give up our army which is probaly the best in the world when we have NATO to side with in times of international security threat ? My answer you have the greatest research tool at your finger tips so you can see both sides of the argument. Ask your self one more question if those self appointed beuracrats bought in laws that then started to affect you, your family that you were apposed to how would you protest against them? you could not unelect them and with a camera at every corner of every street you could not stand up against them, with ID cards they would know every thing about you and what you stand fore is this really in your intrest?
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Roland Message left at 10:00 pm, Mon 3rd Sep 2007
By the way france voted against the constitution they were given a refrendum.
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Dan Message left at 08:42 am, Tue 4th Sep 2007
I don't think he is in the minority. The treaty being debated in Parliament and among the heads of EU states is not a consitution. That died when France voted against it, we never got the chance to have a referendum. This is a treaty, akin to the tonnes of other treaties that have seen Europe remain mostly peaceful and prosperous. Economic propserity isn't about where we buy our clothes from, it's about global trade and how Europe must remain competative in a globalised world. Through trade agreements with the EU, Britain can ensure it has a stable income. As long as Europe doesn't mean a consitution - which this treaty does not - then I think it can be a good thing for us. It's not some single entity trying to rob Britain, it's a collective which we have a massive part to play in. Britain is a dominant player in the EU, just like it has always been - applaud that.
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josh Message left at 08:13 pm, Mon 3rd Sep 2007
Steve you are a minority the eu is a corrupt unelected dictatorship wich frankly can get stuffed,labour only want multiculturism most people hate it britains economic competitiveness dont make me laugh business will never thrive under this government all this red tape high taxation and red tape who wants a business in this awful country? there is loads to fear from the eu and as for weak prime minister an honust one would certainly make a change if it is so...good why wont he debate it and why wont he have the referendum he promised can you trust the man? i dont think so.
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William Message left at 11:47 am, Mon 20th Aug 2007
I object to NL spending £8 Billion of British Taxpayers money on Africa or anywhere else when we have a very long list of problems which need money back home. In any case whatever safeguards you impose the despotic Leaders of these Countries and their hangers on will get their grubby hands on it first. Africa is a basket case riddled with corruption. The Leaders of these Countries don't give a...about the people. All they are interested in is what they can get out of it in monetary terms, buying arms, stoking up wars etc. If you are serious about the problem why have you not done anything about Mugabe? That man is a murderer and has brought his Country to it's knees. If you are suggesting that our money should be used to prop up his regime then you are as guilty as he is.
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Ansuya Message left at 09:07 am, Mon 20th Aug 2007
I think we should help developing countries and wiping out debt is one solution. However, we are not very good at monitoring what happens to the money that we give to countries like Uganda and other African countries. We should make sure that the money goes towards building schools and hospitals and houses. We should never give lump sum of money to any ruler/dictator and wash our hands off. There should be a proper plan and results monitored.
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peter Message left at 10:51 am, Mon 20th Aug 2007
personally i am more interested in our pensioners and would rather they get this money.
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Paul Message left at 11:08 am, Wed 12th Sep 2007
Money for international development is a bit different to helping pensioners in the UK. The government does both, our pensioners are better off then they were before. Britain is a global player, with global responsibilities, it's ignorance to randomly say that all money helping to end global poverty and death should be "spent on our pensioners".
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rol Message left at 08:54 am, Sat 18th Aug 2007
I've just watched the 'THE GREAT CLIMATE WARMING SWINDLE' any one who has'nt really should watch it it's freely avalible on the internet. Weather it's right or wrong about junk science surrounding the global warming the last 20 minuets talk about how we will not give or allow developing countries to have or use power stations. How on earth is a country surposed to develop on the odd solar panel that are the size of a roof on the average bungalow and can just about power a fridge. How big of the west and it's social idealist's let's spend lots of money on these countries but not give them any thing they really need all your doing is keeping these people alive in poverty with out power these countries can not develop. it dose not take an economic expert to work that out dose it.
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peter  Message left at 12:27 pm, Fri 17th Aug 2007
This thread is getting boring now please can we debate somthing interesting like the european union and should we have a referendum? or do we want multiculturism? or was tony blair honust? or somthing we can all get our teeth into.
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Derek Message left at 05:09 pm, Thu 16th Aug 2007
Given that migrant worker remittances are a larger and possibly better targeted source of inward financing for developing countries than foreign aid I think we should do more to facilitate them. From what I have read the UK Remittances Working Group appears to be doing some very good work in this area and it would be good to see their output getting a higher profile. It was also very encouraging to hear that the Post Office have now extended money transfer services from 3,500 to all 14,000 Post Office branches in the UK. This must make the service far more convenient for anyone who needs to send money home or recieve from home in the UK. It is great to see the strengths of our Post Office network being used in this way. I think we could make much more use of the Post Office networks power as an effective face to face channel for delivering important services - lets have more of this please.
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peter Message left at 10:55 am, Mon 20th Aug 2007
This is madness i just wish some of you socialist idiots would realise the utter damage your stupid imigration/population moving plans are having on this country one day this will all backfire on you people just wait and see.
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peter  Message left at 12:17 pm, Fri 17th Aug 2007
Nice one bet the tourght police erase this one.
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Fredrick  Message left at 11:58 am, Fri 17th Aug 2007
The people of Britain are wary of holistic and/or extemist views. The United Kingdom is calm and stands firmly and sqaurely against generalisations. This area is a little difficult for some people to understand. Britain will not be influenced by extremist views, especially those threatening our multi-cultural society. The People of Britain are Peace Loving People well come those with similar ideals.
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Derek Message left at 05:11 pm, Thu 16th Aug 2007
Don't you find moths are a problem Mr I'm alright Jack ?
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peter Message left at 10:58 am, Mon 20th Aug 2007
moths dont talk daft its impossible to have money left with this hated government.
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Archie Message left at 08:44 am, Thu 16th Aug 2007
International development is one of the most important areas of any progressive government. The appointment of Shahid Malik to the post was also a good move.
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peter Message left at 09:01 am, Thu 16th Aug 2007
Well archie i call this a repressive government.
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derick Message left at 10:42 am, Fri 17th Aug 2007
well i could call it worse then that.
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Tom Message left at 09:13 am, Thu 16th Aug 2007
What on earth are you talking about! We've never had it better.
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peter Message left at 11:00 am, Mon 20th Aug 2007
scroungers i totally agree here here
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derick Message left at 10:43 am, Fri 17th Aug 2007
Well you might not have.
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rol Message left at 07:14 pm, Wed 15th Aug 2007
Well no one seams to be able to answer my question below which is what is 0.5% of our gross national income. After a bit of resarch i have found out that it is about 5 billion pounds a year. I can not denounce any money that goes on saving people from starving to death as what ever hard ships i may suffer god willing they will never be that bad here. What i can denounce is a party going on about how wonderful they are in giving away this money as it is the countries money not the labour parties personal fund. Also how do we know where that money is really going. Are we expected to believe that governments in these countries who have sat back and let their people starve on a mass scale are incapable of lying to us about their true motivations in order to get their debts counciled. Will this money genuinly help i have my serious reservations. 5 billion pounds a year is a hell of a lot of money and however harsh i may seem i do believe charity begins at home. I have very little doubt that that money will not go to those that need it.
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Rachel Message left at 08:22 am, Wed 15th Aug 2007
I think people need to realise that in an age of globalisation, it is simply not enough to bury our heads in the sand and think that if we just look after ourselves and our country, we won't be affected by anything else. I am as patriotic as the next person but its precisely because of this that I realise that its only through helping the developing world by giving education, encouraging economic growth, improving healthcare and supporting governance that we tackle the problems that we as a country face and those that we are all most worried about including illegal immigration and terrorism etc. If its not enough for people to think that they are doing the right thing by helping those struggling to survive on a daily base, perhaps they should understand that improving the situation in poorer countries also brings considerable advantages to ourselves.
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Josh Message left at 10:26 am, Wed 15th Aug 2007
Absolutely Rachel - don't let the far right nutcases on the board get you down, this is exactly what we should be doing, and the right reasons too.
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peter Message left at 08:44 am, Wed 15th Aug 2007
Rachel British people do not want this we have pensioners in poverty,living on disgraceful state pensions,this government always seem to throw money at any international cause but totally ignore the feelings of its own people we have never ever been taxed so much and frankly it is getting to the state where it is no longer worth working all the time we are paying out to feed the latest fads of left wing fanatics recently the floods that hit parts of the uk what the government gave was an absolute pittance frankly we need to reduce taxation and overheads this is madness and total stupidity role on the next election.
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Joshua Message left at 10:34 am, Wed 15th Aug 2007
Peter - you cannot speak for "The People". Nor can I. It doesn't matter how strongly you hold your views, they are still your views, and unsubstantiated comments about the will of the people are a complete waste of space. As far as I can tell, the British people do actually support the Labour way of doing things; if they didn't, we'd be behind in the polls, which we aren't. Just a thought - in future, try portraying your views as just that, not setting yourself up as some spokesman for the people.
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peter  Message left at 12:21 pm, Fri 17th Aug 2007
HAhaha walked into that one josh.
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peter Message left at 12:49 pm, Wed 15th Aug 2007
Well Josh firstly i am not ashamed of my views and if you were the same why then do you keep deleteing messages on here that are reasonably critical of your government and your leader surely that means this government has somthing to hide? otherwise why can you not debate ona even playing field?,The last time i said this it was deleted so how come you represent the population when only around 30% ACTUALLY VOTED FOR YOU? i know a lot of people from all walks of life all social classes and almost without exception have one thing in common totally unhappy with labour and its policies why will gordon brown not have a eu referendum? simple he would loose it,that josh is not democracy you say i am far right wing its people like you and your daft ideas that push nomally moderate people to think like this,i am british born payed my taxes and worked very hard my father was a police officer and ex soldier fourght wars for this country he would describe this government as marxists i believe that also never in my life have i seen such an evil dishonust rotton to the core government as new labour they are rotten full stop this country wants an election now and an eu referendum and no josh i will not go away.
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Josh Message left at 01:08 pm, Wed 15th Aug 2007
  1. I have no power to edit or delete comments from these forums.
  2. I didn't ask you to go away, I asked to to accept, as I do, that you can't speak for the other 66 million people in the country.
  3. I wasn't actually talking about the government, or the EU, in that post.
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derick Message left at 11:18 am, Fri 17th Aug 2007
to wich around 20 million voted labour at the last election what about those who did not
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Josh Message left at 12:08 pm, Wed 29th Aug 2007

In the 2005 general election, 9.56 million people voted Labour, 8.77 million voted Conservative, 5.98 million voted Lib Dem, and 2.8 million voted for small parties and independents. That's 35.3% of the vote in the UK, and resulted in taking 55.2% of the seats in Parliament, compared with the Tories 32.3% of the vote taking 30.7% of the seats. This is perhaps unfair in terms of majority, but it is important to note that even in raw numbers, with Tony Blair a very unpopular PM, Labour took more of the popular vote than any other party.
Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2005#Total_seats_for_each_party

What I think happened in this election is that the tories took a line which appealed to their core, true blue supporters. When either of the main parties does this, they tend to be able to take about a third of the vote, and all their natural seats but very few marginals.

Those who didn't vote Labour have to make do, I'm afraid. Democracy is not about parties making unanimous wins at election, it's about determining the best compromise of the country's views through a majority vote, and the party which wins the vote rightly enacts legislation according to the values it stood on. 40% of the country didn't bother to stroll down the road and put an X in a box, or at least spoil a ballot in the time honoured method of drawing a...on it. If they did vote, they'd have had their say and the government at the moment could be very different - but at the end of the day, they chose not to, so must put up with the government we have.

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peter  Message left at 12:23 pm, Fri 17th Aug 2007
absolutly they are not as popular as they try portraying themselves to be.
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Fredrick  Message left at 12:02 pm, Fri 17th Aug 2007
There is still need to be open minded about composition and nature of Britain. Britain is a democracy. The winning Party form government and the rest do their best support government in building a better stronger Britain.
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Josh Message left at 01:59 pm, Wed 15th Aug 2007

Write what you think - I have no problem with that, as long as you don't try to say that your opinion is by extension the opinion of the rest of the country: it isn't.

I've told you my point of view on all of the above, and I'm not going to go through the same things over and over.

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peter Message left at 02:19 pm, Wed 15th Aug 2007
Josh whilst this country is still a democracy(in name if nothing else) i can and will say what i like and what i believe to be true perhapes labour will have to make a new law stopping people speaking their minds that i am expecting any day i will continue to denounce what i consider to be lies and untrue.
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Josh Message left at 02:40 pm, Wed 15th Aug 2007
Yep, you said it: you can say what you like, and what you believe - no problem there. Just don't try and put words in the mouths of the rest of the country, because you have no right to speak for them.
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peter  Message left at 03:49 pm, Wed 15th Aug 2007
And labour and you dont do that then? pot calling the kettle black there.(oops am i allowed to say that with all this pc rubbish flying about in case it offends somone?)
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Josh Message left at 11:35 pm, Wed 15th Aug 2007

No, I don't do that, my views are my own and portrayed as such (if you disagree, show me where I have and I'll apologise). All I've done is comment on current support for Labour as is being shown in the various independent polls, but even that isn't always the best indicator.

Labour, or more importantly, our elected politicians (including the Tories and Lib Dems), do, on the other hand, have a right to speak for the people at some level. In a representative democracy like ours (injustices in the electoral system aside), they are given that right by getting elected. It's not politically correct rubbish, it's a fundamental tenet of freedom of speech.

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Josh Message left at 07:39 pm, Tue 14th Aug 2007
what's this got to do with international development?
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James Message left at 06:31 pm, Tue 14th Aug 2007
We need to support countries and people in developing countries by ending forced liberalisation through conditions on loans and aid. Developed nations have for too long given with one hand and taken with the other by forcing countries to sell off their assets generally to multinationals. This is particularly abhorrent when it's public services such as health, education or water. Leaving the poorest people in the world to suffer from the ravages of privatisation.
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derick Message left at 11:26 am, Fri 17th Aug 2007
rubbish total ...
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Fredrick  Message left at 12:06 pm, Fri 17th Aug 2007
It appears that when you are losing an intellectual debate you reach for the work "rubbish". Such tactics are not accommodating other people's views. By all standards they are not healthy.
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Syed Rasheed Message left at 10:49 pm, Mon 13th Aug 2007
Its fact poor countries expect from west and america, But i think priority should be Home. i want to say that its also true that education plays a vital role in development, but instead of money we need to improve thier leadership qualities as these countries are sufferring because of corruption. but again we need to do alot at home.
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Josh Message left at 10:51 am, Tue 14th Aug 2007

In what way are we not doing a lot at home? We only spend 0.5% of our Gross National Income (GNI) on international development. The problems we seek to address abroad with that money are far worse than those we have at home. For example:

  • every day 30,000 children die because of preventable diseases;
  • average life expectancy in Africa is 46 and falling;
  • by 2015, nine out of ten of the world’s poorest people will live in Africa and South Asia;
  • and around half of this number will live in countries without effective governments.
Source: http://csr07.treasury.gov.uk/spending/areas/international-development-assistance/

There are problems at home, but we spend 99.5% of GNI on ourselves, and dealing with those problems.

Regarding our aging population, we spend an average of 6 times as much on each over 65-year-old than on each 16-44 year old. The Labour government has brought in free local bus travel for the retired, extending to nationwide bus travel from 2008, and a winter fuel allowance to avoid the awful situation we had in the past of some OAPs needing to choose between food and warmth. We have a guaranteed level of free state pension, and a health service free at the point of need - used far more by the over 65s than the average citizen, as it should be.

I'm not trying to say that these things are wrong, indeed they're exactly what we should be doing, but saying that we shouldn't be spending just 0.5% of our GNI on the welfare of other nations is incredibly selfish and short-sighted. Like it or not, we're in a global economy and community, and we do have a responsibility to our neighbours, which we can't meet with private charity alone.

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rol Message left at 07:48 pm, Tue 14th Aug 2007
Josh i'm not going to comment on this subject to much right now as i do not know enough about it. What makes you believe that these countries will not say 'YES if you council our debt we will have an effective government' sign lots of contracts then carry on the way they have been. Seeing as you seem to have all the answers could you please tell me this. How much in £'s is 0.5% of our gross national income.
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peter Message left at 06:38 am, Tue 14th Aug 2007
Syed i agree with you i also believe the leadership bit should apply to britain also.
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anita  Message left at 09:05 pm, Mon 13th Aug 2007
I agree with Peter, charity begins at home. Pensioners are struggling on a pittance after paying into the system for years.
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peter  Message left at 03:33 pm, Mon 13th Aug 2007
Whilst what is happening in africa is deplorable once again we have enough problems here in this country i am not against educating these unfortunate people to fend for and look after themselves but frankly we are not a never ending money pot,what about the plight of our own pensioners living on disgracful pittencies including all the homeless old and young in this country lets get our priorties right many of us are skint because of what we are paying out all the time and on the verge of bankruptcy we cannot feed the whole world full stop educate yes help yes but lets be sensible and sort out the mess here at home.
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Joshua Message left at 04:02 pm, Mon 13th Aug 2007

Please, the country is not on the verge of bankruptcy as you keep claiming. Ever struggle to afford food and shelter for yourself and your family? I thought not. Africa is our concern, the people there are worth just as much as we are, and if the positions were reversed, wouldn't you expect help from Africa?

Yes, we need to look after our own, and that's what we spend almost all of our time and resources doing - our spending on international development is currently far too low and needs to continue to be moved up the agenda.

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Derek Message left at 05:26 pm, Thu 16th Aug 2007
If you can detach yourselves from this fairly peurile debate for a second or two. Have you or anyone else got any suggestions that this or a government of any colour can do to help Africa and the developing world ? That was after all the question - it was not are we giving them too much or too little foreign aid ?
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derick Message left at 11:32 am, Fri 17th Aug 2007
give them food and advice and help developing the ability to look after themselves but stop giving them cash in such large amounts simple.
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Derek Message left at 05:05 pm, Fri 17th Aug 2007
Thanks derick sounds fair enough even if I don't think we are giving them cash in such large amounts. How about we go one step further and require our businesses to pay them a decent rate for producing the products that we use. So reduce our taxes by 0.5% but ensure people get a decent living wage for the work they do for our end benefit. Sounds a fair deal to me how about you ?
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